Politics after the Jump

"El Rivinado" (joeman856) 07/02/2016 at 03:24 • Filed to: None

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Fuck my state. Just, fuck my state.

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The sad thing is, I'm stuck in this miserable hell hole for the time being and I can't get out. I'm pissed the fuck off Oppo.

TheHondaBro > El Rivinado 07/02/2016 at 03:45

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Looks like a good start, if you ask me.

I like California. I’ve lived there for 15 years. I’d live there again if it weren’t drying up like a raisin.

Berang > El Rivinado 07/02/2016 at 03:46

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Why are you pissed off If you’re not planning on breaking any laws?

traitor joe > El Rivinado 07/02/2016 at 03:53

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I like this Jerry Brown fellow already.

El Rivinado > Berang 07/02/2016 at 03:56

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Simple, it’s just more feel good legislation that doesn’t work. It limits my rights that much further, and it just leads to a slippery slope. Let’s say, another event happens, than more talking happens with the same usual talking points and the whole “If it saves one life” spiel. Then a bit more gets added, and more of my rights get stripped.

I know it seems like the rantings of some delusional, tin foil hat wearing goofball ranting about the NWO and black helicopters, but the fact that my rights, which I do consider very important, gets destroyed by a state run by idiots that wouldn’t know their asses from a hole in the ground, pisses me off. The fact is, California does have a gun community, it has a very conservative community, I live in San Diego, a city steeped in military culture with one of the largest presence of armed serviceman in the U.S. Why the fuck should I have to conform to laws I hate simply because some dumbasses in LA, San Fran, Sacramento, and all the other left leaning cities “oop north”, simply because they have all the cash. Believe me, if I could leave, I would do it an instant, the sad truth is I can’t. And as long as I’m a citizen of this state, I have the right to bitch and moan about stuff that I view as disgusting and gross that my state government does.

No, I don't plan on breaking laws, even if they are stupid laws that shouldn't even be laws in the first place. But, I can sure as shit complain about it, and when it comes to my state, that's all you can do.

Svend > El Rivinado 07/02/2016 at 03:57

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It’s a good start but some of the ones he vetoed make sense to have such as:-

— Require those who make guns at home to register them with the state and get a serial number so the weapons can be tracked.

— Required stolen or lost guns to be reported within five days.

— Limited Californians to the purchase of one rifle or shotgun per month

It actually sounds like this is a politician with his head on straight and well done.

TheHondaBro > El Rivinado 07/02/2016 at 03:59

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Do you have a criminal history?

Will you loan your guns to anyone in your family with a criminal history?

Do you plan on sustained fire in your semi-automatic rifles sometime in the near future?

If you answered no to those questions, then these bills really don’t affect you.

El Rivinado > TheHondaBro 07/02/2016 at 04:00

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It’s not necessarily a start, just more stuff tacked onto a state that was already draconian to begin with. I wasn’t happy back then, I sure as hell ain’t happy now.

If I didn’t have my best friends living here, I wouldn’t feel bad about leaving. Great that you loved living here man, I will not take that away from you, but for someone like me, I just get more and more nuts everyday.

El Rivinado > Svend 07/02/2016 at 04:02

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The fact that he vetoed those ones makes me happy, to be honest.

Berang > El Rivinado 07/02/2016 at 04:04

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I hate to break it to you, but a lot of people have bigger problems than not being able to buy this or that particular spec of toy accessory, or not being able to loan weapons to shady people.

If that disgusts you though, perhaps it’ll motivate you to help people who have actual problems?

El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! > El Rivinado 07/02/2016 at 04:19

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El Rivinado > Berang 07/02/2016 at 04:19

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Oh, don’t even come at me with this aggrandizing, first world problem, concern trolling, bullshit.

I don’t loan my guns to anyone, I don’t have the money to buy these newfangled accessories. This stuff, IS important to me. It’s important to me because I’ve read about, I’ve done my research, I know my stuff, and it’s a hobby I’ve loved for a long time. It’s something I take pride in, and whenever I hear the same sweeping generalizations and the same arguments that go nowhere, yeah, I do take it pretty seriously.

So, forgive me, if I’m not willing to listen to you give the argument of “Oh, you don’t have REAL problems, go help people with REAL problems. People have it worse than you!” It may seem petty and unimportant to you, but that doesn’t give you the right, nay, the privilege, to tell me that what I care about is stupid and not worth my time. I try to be nice, I try to be reasonable, I try to be pleasant, I really do my best to be a good person. But, you done just crossed the damn line. I know I sound like a dick, but, right now, I ain't in the mood to hear this condescending attitude of "y'know, maybe you should care about more important things, instead of this stupid gun thing."

Sovereign, Purveyor of Coupes > Svend 07/02/2016 at 04:22

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The main problem I have with this, (as an American, and I understand that we have a completely different culture here) is that you have to register said guns. In my honest opinion there is no reason for the government to have records that you own these guns once you pass the initial backround checks.

Sovereign, Purveyor of Coupes > El Rivinado 07/02/2016 at 04:25

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So much this. Glad OPPO hasn’t entirely fallen to the word of the liberal.

Sovereign, Purveyor of Coupes > Berang 07/02/2016 at 04:25

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I’m sorry dude, but infringing on freedoms is a real problem.

TheHondaBro > El Rivinado 07/02/2016 at 04:28

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Your “hobby” has led to the death of many innocent civilians. Imagine what the families of the Sandy Hook victims went through, are going through right now because a group of very powerful men think guns are cool. Is it worth innocent lives? You’re 20 years old, you’ve got the next 60 years of your life to find a different hobby. Might I suggest Legos?

Svend > El Rivinado 07/02/2016 at 04:30

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But unregistered guns have no traceability should someone use one illegally also from the other side of the coin, what if there was a defect in the weapon because it wasn’t built correctly or something that would hurt the owner, surely you’d want someone to tell you that the gun you bought may be defective because it had be shown to be prone to fatigue in some way and hurt several others.

If your gun is stolen and you don’t report it. I’ve got to ask why you aren’t doing it straight away such as are you the registered lawful keeper, has it been used for illegal activity you don’t want to be found on, was it secure enough before it was stolen that someone had to make deliberate and forceful entry to get it. Personally if you were aware you gun was missing and hadn’t shown seriously effort to finding it within five days and still not reported it then you should be held accountable if that weapon is used unlawfully.

Also who is buying more than one rifle/shotgun a month? If you only want four rifles/shotguns total and that’s it then surely a wait of a month between getting each one isn’t going to seriously hurt. If your buying several often then you must be a business and need a licence to buy and sell or you mean to do some serious stuff of an illegal nature. Just because your a lawfully citizen with good knowledge of how to use and maintain a weapon doesn’t mean your next door neighbour is, I know most of me neighbours and some of them I wouldn’t trust to know how to boil a kettle.

TheHondaBro > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 07/02/2016 at 04:30

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Who the fuck ruins a perfectly good strip of bacon?

mcseanerson > El Rivinado 07/02/2016 at 04:32

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The stuff they signed seemed a bit much to me. I can understand the magazine size limit but making it so you can’t use a firearm that you can change the magazine on? That’s like the majority of them. I know you say you don’t want to sound like you’re wearing a tin foil hat so I’ll do it for you. You know who would have liked to limit our firearms? Colonial era Britain. Anytime the government tries to take firearm rights it makes me nervous.

Side note: I don’t own any guns but I fully support people’s right to own them.

TheBimmerGuyWhoNowOwnsAChevy > El Rivinado 07/02/2016 at 04:36

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Can’t wait till I graduate so I can leave this bureaucratic raisin I call a state.

El Rivinado > TheHondaBro 07/02/2016 at 04:38

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I got video games as well, I got cars as well. You don’t need to reply in sarcasm and tell me to get a different hobby because I dared to take an interest that at this point, might as well have the same reaction as saying Voldemort at fucking Hogwarts.

There’s other guys on here that are just as passionate about guns as I am. You going to tell them to get another hobby as well?

I don’t know what else to say, I’m just pissed off.

El Rivinado > Svend 07/02/2016 at 04:50

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I might by more than one gun a month, because I’m a collector. I wouldn’t, because guns are pretty expensive. If a gun is defective, I don’t necessarially think that requires a registration. If a gun is stolen and I haven’t reported it, it could be because I’m unaware that it was stolen (Everyone has a lapse in memory sometimes, what if it was stolen while I was at work and no one called me to notify that my house was broken into? I can’t respond to that immediately) You should be just as liable if a gun you own is used in a crime, just as you should be liable if your car is involved in an accident if it was stolen. But, there are instances when you can’t immediately notify the police, because well, not everything is that simple.

I understand the differences between us, and I understand the points you make. I just don't really agree with them, simple as that. I respectfully disagree with you, but I get what you're trying to say.

Svend > Sovereign, Purveyor of Coupes 07/02/2016 at 04:52

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It’s to register the weapon is built correctly and has accountability. You (not necessarily yourself) registers a toaster, kettle, computer, car, etc... why should a weapon be any different?

If the weapon should be used illegally and the authorities find the weapon they can trace it back to who sold it, who bought it, if it went missing/stolen then they can narrow it down to where the person who stole it may have been, etc...

Just because you are a lawful person doesn’t mean others are and society has to be regulated to the dumbest 10%.

Sovereign, Purveyor of Coupes > El Rivinado 07/02/2016 at 04:53

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Move to oregon. We are not this lame, I promise. Also we have fresh water.

El Rivinado > Sovereign, Purveyor of Coupes 07/02/2016 at 04:54

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How good are the gun laws there? I know I've got Arizona and Texas as options, but I don't know about Oregon.

Sovereign, Purveyor of Coupes > Svend 07/02/2016 at 05:02

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My main thing is look at the 50s, 60s, and 70s. Back then people brought their uns to school. Left them in their cars. Even brought them to class in the case of marksmanship classes. Barely any mass shootings happened. In fact I haven’t heard of any. Back then the idoit’s didn’t reproduce, because they wouldn’t get paid for it. Right now, America is reaping what we have sowed, and it’s not good. Neither for us, nor anyone else.

BTW I’ve never registered a toaster, kettle or computer. Just guns and cars.

On this one point I do respectfully, yet firmly disagree. Again two different cultures, but I can’t help but feel I belong to older times. Things like this used to make this country great. Now it will be our downfall. Maybe not today, but soon enough.

Svend > El Rivinado 07/02/2016 at 05:02

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Yes. That goes without saying. You can’t know it’s stolen till you find out it’s stolen. That’s the way of the world but at the point that you are aware it is stolen you should report it. If the gun is stolen and is used illegally and your not aware it is then you have a response should the police come to your door.

Notifying the police should be done at the earliest opportunity, you would if your car or TV was stolen.

Sovereign, Purveyor of Coupes > El Rivinado 07/02/2016 at 05:05

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Both car and gun laws are fairly liberal (in the true sense of the word) here in Oregon. Avoid Portland (Clackamas and Multnomah county) and you are golden. No inspections, no bs licenses.

4kc > El Rivinado 07/02/2016 at 05:07

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full auto is legal

El Rivinado > Svend 07/02/2016 at 05:07

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No, I agree with you. If one of my guns was stolen, you bet your sweet ass I would report it. I don't wish to be held accountable for someone else's wrongdoing, especially if it's my property that has a paper trail a mile wide.

Berang > Sovereign, Purveyor of Coupes 07/02/2016 at 05:08

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You say that as if giving weapons to felons is a freedom a society needs.

El Rivinado > Sovereign, Purveyor of Coupes 07/02/2016 at 05:08

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Oh good, my big fear was the entire state would be like Portland and Eugene. Nice to know that it's not.

Sovereign, Purveyor of Coupes > Berang 07/02/2016 at 05:10

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Felons should not have weapons. When did I even insinuate that?

Those of us that are law abiding American citizens should have free and easy access. Period.

Berang > El Rivinado 07/02/2016 at 05:10

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You’re whining about it being illegal to give guns to felons. As if giving guns to felons is a “right” our society really needs.

And then you turn around and act like freedom of expression is a “privilege” - get your priorities in whack man.

Svend > Sovereign, Purveyor of Coupes 07/02/2016 at 05:11

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People and societies change and so laws adjust which is why the second amendment is in an amendment itself.

Seatbelts weren’t originally on cars, then they found that when driving a car, in an accident it’s safer to have one, then we got airbags, crumple zones, etc...

Hence “not necessarily yourself”.

But ye’, I guess we’ll agree to disagree.

Sovereign, Purveyor of Coupes > El Rivinado 07/02/2016 at 05:12

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Nope, though Portland does seem to be the only city that gets a spotlight, Oregon has always been rather southern, as far as my own experiences.

Berang > Sovereign, Purveyor of Coupes 07/02/2016 at 05:13

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Why not?

Berang > Sovereign, Purveyor of Coupes 07/02/2016 at 05:15

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I guess you didn’t read which laws he signed? Might be helpful since that’s the topic here.

El Rivinado > Berang 07/02/2016 at 05:17

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No, I’m not. I don’t believe that Felons should own guns, just because I don’t believe in gun control doesn’t mean I want every motherfucker who’s been to prison for murder and has a sketchy past to have a firearm. The fact that I think it’s BS that I have to pass another background check to buy a box of shotgun shells for range shooting, doesn’t mean I think Johnny the alcoholic wifebeater should get access to a handgun. If you knew how draconian California’s gun laws were before this bill was passed, you would understand why I’m cheesed about this.

Berang > El Rivinado 07/02/2016 at 05:18

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Well, I’m from Texas. I’d happily take the laws you don’t want.

El Rivinado > Berang 07/02/2016 at 05:22

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Maybe we can just swap states and call it done. That’s one thing I love about this country, I don't like one state, I have the ability to move to one I do. (Well, if I could that is.)

Sovereign, Purveyor of Coupes > Svend 07/02/2016 at 05:23

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Yes it’s an amendment but the same could be said for the first amendment. That freedom of press was only for feathers and ink.

Again, it’s not that this directly involves myself, but there are many people out there who are trust worthy, and I definately trust your average citizen more than our government. Though, I think after hillary got the democratic nomination over Bernie a lot of people are opening their eyes to the real US government. (In general I’d rather have Bernie than hillary, but hillary winning was key to opening people’s eyes to corruption. For reference, literally .6 percent of people voted hillary for the Democratic nominee in my county. That’s not a typo. I’ve met maybe 2 Hillary supporters in real life, yet hundreds of Bernie supporters.) I know this isn’t quite what the oringal debate was about but I think this is relevant. The will of the government is not the will of the people here anymore.

Sovereign, Purveyor of Coupes > Berang 07/02/2016 at 05:24

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He? Who’s he? I haven’t mentioned anybody specifically.

Svend > Sovereign, Purveyor of Coupes 07/02/2016 at 05:33

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But the same could be said of Brexit. I voted to remain, more than half of England voted to leave, as did Wales however more than half of Scotland, Northern Ireland and Gibraltar (almost all of Gibraltar) voted to remain. England has vastly more people in it so it swayed the vote the other way from what Scotland, Northern Ireland and Gibraltar wanted but we the United Kingdom of all these nations. If they want to go their separate way then that is up to them but surely if your views were the opposite you’d surely be annoyed the others voted differently. That’s democracy, it’s the will of the total (voted).

Sovereign, Purveyor of Coupes > Svend 07/02/2016 at 05:38

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The difference here though is that It's really not the vote of the people. It’s the vote of the super delegates that counts and nothing else. We are a plutocracy, same as russia. If you have money (lots of money) you have a say. Otherwise? Get out of the way poors. The difference between us and Russia is that they are more forthcoming about this. Here, the government lies and the media soaks it up and spreads it without a second thought.

Svend > Sovereign, Purveyor of Coupes 07/02/2016 at 05:45

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That can be said of any country, it’s just the levels that change.

Sovereign, Purveyor of Coupes > Svend 07/02/2016 at 05:47

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I don’t think that makes it anymore right or wrong.

Svend > Sovereign, Purveyor of Coupes 07/02/2016 at 06:14

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It doesn’t in any way but at the end of the day, they were elected by us to act on our behalf so maybe we need to be more critical of electing people.

Take care anyway. I’m off out to lunch to appreciate the today rather than dwell on other days.

500 Days of Kittens > El Rivinado 07/02/2016 at 06:17

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I’m a typical lefty, and I want you to know that about me when I also say that I appreciate and respect how you’ve handled the comments and criticisms in this post.

I have some locked and loaded (heh) arguments that both agree and disagree with you - and I think we could both make good points so I’d be interested in discussing it further - but first and foremost and most importantly right now: thank you for standing up for what’s important to you; thank you for being a responsible firearm owner; thank you for acknowledging the community aspect, especially in San Diego with its dense military community; and thank you especially for specifically stating that you could see where people like me are coming from. I really appreciate that, and while I’m not there yet, I’m working to get better at empathizing with your station too.

Berang > Sovereign, Purveyor of Coupes 07/02/2016 at 06:31

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Did you not even read the original post?

¯\_()_/¯

Berang > El Rivinado 07/02/2016 at 06:34

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You wouldn’t like it here. Texas has stupid laws for pretty much everything except for guns.

LongbowMkII > Sovereign, Purveyor of Coupes 07/02/2016 at 07:32

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_W…

About that no mass shootings thing...

Also idiots have always reproduced. Always. History isn't rose tinted.

My citroen won't start > El Rivinado 07/02/2016 at 07:54

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Finally someone did something.

Guns should be a privilege and not a right.

FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem > My citroen won't start 07/02/2016 at 08:16

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But it’s written down in a century old piece of paper, duh.

Malanga > Sovereign, Purveyor of Coupes 07/02/2016 at 08:37

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It certainly opened my eyes a bit! I’m slowing inching towards becoming Libertarian, although that has a few problems of its own.

My citroen won't start > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem 07/02/2016 at 08:44

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WHO THIS DAMNED GORVMNUENT THINK THEY ARE TO TAKE MY MUSKET HAVING RIGHTS?

FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem > My citroen won't start 07/02/2016 at 08:48

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Gotta defend mah land ‘gainst those damned English and Indian scum!

My citroen won't start > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem 07/02/2016 at 09:10

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It’s funny that people still want to keep that thing as relevant, the 2 amendment comes directly from the 1686 Bill of Rights, when weapons were mainly wooden sticks because Protestants.

FromCanadaWithLove > El Rivinado 07/02/2016 at 09:27

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I’m curious, what’s wrong with these bills? I understand why someone would want to own a gun – I’ve been to the range, it’s fun, but why does your magazine need more than 10 rounds? For unrestricted guns, it’s 5 here. No biggie. As for the database, it’s not like they didn’t know you had a gun before, and they’re not going to take anything away. I imagine if someone bought 30,000 rounds in a day, that might raise a red flag. Or if someone on a terrorist watchlist buys ammo (they shouldn’t even be allowed to own a gun).

FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem > My citroen won't start 07/02/2016 at 09:30

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Not funny that people still have legal access to murder weapons in the longest working democracy. Don’t get me wrong, owning guns and shooting as a sport is ok but concealed carrying is bullshit in a developed country. Owning guns should at least require a license like operating a motor vehicle.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Sovereign, Purveyor of Coupes 07/02/2016 at 09:31

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Just jumping in with a quick- check out Gary Johnson. Definitely pro 2nd ammendment. Take back our country from the reps and dems!

My citroen won't start > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem 07/02/2016 at 09:39

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I fully agree

Frenchlicker > El Rivinado 07/02/2016 at 09:49

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Coming from Indiana the way these laws are set up seems a tad off. Are they just a bit more restrictive than what was already in place or do they completely change things? I do however thing the ammunition thing is crazy. I understand it may be used to throw red flags if someone is stocking up but it still seems ridiculous. The ones he vetoed make more sense than the ones he didn't.

Probenja > mcseanerson 07/02/2016 at 10:03

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Something that I don’t get about Americans is what are you going to do with a gun when the government goes insane, Kill the president? Go into a war with the military? In both cases civilians would loose even if everyone had a gun.

You might say self defense but if a drunk man enters your house in the middle of the night, are you just going to shoot him, what happens to his family?

And you might say hunting, which is OK for some but I hate it and can’t stand the killing of animals for fun, even for food, if you want fresh food then go raise your animals and kill them yourself.

DipodomysDeserti > El Rivinado 07/02/2016 at 10:43

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Arizona has the strictest gun laws in the country, you're only allowed to ride around on horseback, and it regularly reaches 150F during the summer months. Move to Oregon, don't move to AZ.

DipodomysDeserti > Sovereign, Purveyor of Coupes 07/02/2016 at 10:45

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Oregon has always been like the South, but with the white supremacy turned up to 11.

DipodomysDeserti > Svend 07/02/2016 at 10:46

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Jerry Brown is a pretty middle of the road politician now. During his first run as governor he was a total hippy.

DipodomysDeserti > Sovereign, Purveyor of Coupes 07/02/2016 at 10:47

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So are you also against registering your car? As a gun owner, I wish my state had more registration requirements, that way I don't have to answer question to LE when a gun I sold a decade ago is used in a murder with me being the only person on record as having owned it. That's why I had no problem registering my SBR with the Feds.

DipodomysDeserti > El Rivinado 07/02/2016 at 10:51

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If your memory is so bad that you forget to report when valuable and deadly pieces of property are stolen, then you problem don't have the mental fortitude to own such pieces of property.

DipodomysDeserti > Sovereign, Purveyor of Coupes 07/02/2016 at 10:53

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Violent crime and murder rates were actually much higher in the US in the 50s, 60s, and 70s than they are today. Way more people are killed during common crimes with guns than in mass shootings.

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > El Rivinado 07/02/2016 at 10:58

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“Bills the governor signed will:

— Require an ID and background check to purchase ammunition and create a new state database of ammunition owners

— Ban possession of ammunition magazines that hold more than 10 bullets.

— Restrict the loaning of guns without background checks to close family members.”

That sounds reasonable to me. What exactly is the problem?

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > El Rivinado 07/02/2016 at 11:01

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“I might by more than one gun a month, because I’m a collector.”

But that’s not a worry since that provision didn’t get passed.

Svend > DipodomysDeserti 07/02/2016 at 11:03

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He seems to vote from the mind and what is right and needed rather than from the loudest voter.

Slant6 > El Rivinado 07/02/2016 at 12:25

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Have you done anything to try and change the law?

Have you written to your senators?Perticipated in any protests? Funded any lobiests?

If you haven’t then your opinion is nothing more than a rant. I’m not saying you need to drop everything and support your cause, but one of the biggest freedoms we still have is the ability to change laws as they need to be.

That being said, if not gun control what is your solution to gun deaths? I personally think it’s a very tricky matter that can only be solved with a bi-partisan solution. I think basic registration and being held accountable for your own property is a good start and that the law should do more to protect people like you who are responsible gun owners that actually help prevent shootings.

All this tension is not good. Especially when one side has guns and the other doesn’t.

El Rivinado > Slant6 07/02/2016 at 12:38

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As much as I would love to say I’ve written my senators, I haven’t. I will admit it, but forgive me for this fatalistic attitude that I’m about to say, but my senator’s wouldn’t listen to me. After all, to them I’m just a minority opinion when it comes to the state.

The thing about the gun violence problem is that this is just more than guns. There’s a ton of problems, from an economic, to a social, to a cultural, that need to be addressed. I’m all for trying to look at the real root issues for why these things happen, it would be nice to know why they continue to happen and what we can do to stop it. But, these Band-Aid solutions aren’t the answer, especially when they get so draconian that it almost feels like the second amendment might as well not exist. The deeper issues are stuff that’ll take time, take money, and take more deeper examination and debate to solve, but in the instant gratification era of America, those proposals are considered unacceptable and so we look for the quick and easy fix, even if we don’t know it’ll really do anything.

I’m willing to have a debate about guns, despite what my general attitude may seem. I’m just not willing to deal with the same rhetoric I’ve heard over and over again and get called a heartless baby killer whenever I pose my counterpoints.

El Rivinado > Frenchlicker 07/02/2016 at 12:43

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It’s just more draconian restrictions on top of our already draconian gun laws. The bullet button was annoying, but now their making it so that effectively 90 percent of the semi auto rifles that are sold on the market are essentially illegal to buy here.

El Rivinado > 500 Days of Kittens 07/02/2016 at 12:44

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I appreciate your comment. Really, I do. Thank you.

El Rivinado > FromCanadaWithLove 07/02/2016 at 12:52

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If you understood how restrictive the laws in place already were, this is just more ridiculous stuff added on. I’ve never been a fan of that whole “Why do you need more than 10 rounds?” garbage, most guns actually have standard capacity magazines more than 10 rounds so this is just more limiting. I won’t go with the self defense argument (Though, if I might carry a handgun, I would like more than 10 depending on what caliber I’m using), but somedays, I just want to put as many rounds as I can in a single sitting. Simple as that, no big justification, I just want the ability to and have fun. Do I NEED it? probably not, but then again I do I NEED to drive a car that has more than 200 horsepower? Maybe not, but I would like the ability, even if I won’t take full advantage.

The ammo database is ridiculous, if I already bought a gun and went through all the red tape associated with it, why do I need to go through additional red tape if I want to buy some ammo at Big 5 because I’m running low? I think it’s safe to say, I’m not planning a mass murder. (No I don’t think people on a terrorist watchlist should buy guns either, but that’s another can of worms that requires different examination as a whole.)

Slant6 > El Rivinado 07/02/2016 at 12:56

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Who knows, your letter could be the straw that breaks your senators back. When ever I write my senators here in NC (kinda fliped, I lean left and write to right senators/ represenatives, where you’re the opposite.) about things like education and infastructure (the two things government should do right), they always respond thoughtfully and acknowledge my position.

The thing with state politics is that the representatives have to listen to the loudest voices. Since it’s such a small scale race when you look at the districts any negative public opinion can be damning.

All this being said State politics are a wormhole, and once you get into them it’s hard to get out.

And back to the guns, you’re right. The problem is much bigger than it seems people think it is. And it’s hard to fix. The thing with bandaids is they are temporary and do eventually have to be fixed. But I think the bandaid is OK until we can find a comprehensive solution, which is realistically a decade or so out. Granted, we can’t just bandaid it up and forget about it. We need societal changes across the board.

These things only happen when people care enough to get involved though.

Frenchlicker > El Rivinado 07/02/2016 at 12:58

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I'm all for some extra regulations but your state goes the absolute wrong way about it.

El Rivinado > Frenchlicker 07/02/2016 at 12:59

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Tell me something I don't know.

Funktheduck > El Rivinado 07/02/2016 at 13:04

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I've noticed a trend of politicians making controversial decisions and then leaving the country for a few weeks immediately after. Or has this always been a thing?

El Rivinado > Slant6 07/02/2016 at 13:08

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I agree with you, I do wish people cared about as much as I do. Well, they do, they’re just much older than me. I think the other thing I kind of get cheesed about, is that, I do a lot of research. I always try and be up to date about the laws related to firearms in this country, statistics about gun crime and violence, history and bills and court cases, even some other obscure things. But, people on the opposing side, don’t even do half of that, and not only that, it almost seems like their proud of their ignorance. You can throw at as many facts and statistics as you want, but to go back to the modern problem, when it comes to facts versus high minded emotional scare rhetoric, the latter is going to have people listen more than the former. If the people would really read up on the law of the land and all the stuff associated with it, just to put each other on a level playing field or level brainwaves, then we can put forth a solution together.

The problem with the bandaid is that it stops working, but the fact we don't have goals to work with, and some people refuse to budge and work for one, is really concerning. We aren't emotionally mature enough as a country to solve this issue yet, I want us to get to this at some point, not just for guns but for a lot of issues. Now's not the time, but at some point, it will be.

El Rivinado > Funktheduck 07/02/2016 at 13:10

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No, I see it too. It’s so they don’t have to answer to the people they pissed off.